Lure variability

[Oldskoolfool]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.

Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

[Steve Dennington]

Oh no, Burts again!

Weighted Burts are very inconsistent in the ballast department. The ballast itself consists of lead balls around 10mm in diameter, but the number inserted has varied in mine from just one up to three! The ones with three are the biggest PITA because they sink nose first, which is fine if you want them to but most people don't. Fortunately, the moulded body is consistent, so removing or adding ballast in the various chambers gives you a variety of good actions.

The early Fox lures were mostly wood weren't they?

[Jack H]

I’ve just re weighted a burt to fish slightly deeper than it did out of the box. Agree on the older fox lures. I’ve got a rooter which has a great action, whereas I’ve got a gremlin that doesn’t do a lot. All the ones I’ve got appear to be wooden. Probably fairly poor quality.

Jack

[Jack H]

I’ve just re weighted a burt to fish slightly deeper than it did out of the box, by adding lead to the nose. Worked ok, but unsure how you’d get a sinking one to float . Agree on the older fox lures. I’ve got a rooter which has a great action, whereas I’ve got a gremlin that doesn’t do a lot. All the ones I’ve got appear to be wooden. Probably fairly poor quality.

Jack

[Mike J]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.

Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

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[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.

Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

[old_school]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

No mate there's no need hardwood dive and rise baits are perfect for it, I'm in the if it works leave it camp.

[old_school]

Clipped a 25gm weight on the nose of a burt that was the right colour but wrong weight for the peg the other day, fished like a house brick but still had one! My mate been trying for years and has yet to catch one on a burt, they certainly are a marmite lure

[Steve Dennington]

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Variable ballast dive/rise baits with screw-in weights of various sizes are becoming increasing popular in the States. It's a system that I'm going to add to some of the ones I make this year. Not all of them though, because fixed ballast makes a better/neater looking bait.

[davelumb]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.

Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

It doesn't apply to everything. My Mexican made Fender guitars are not much different to my USA made one. They're certainly not half as good despite being less than half the price when I bought them.

Pete Maina used to cut Burts up and glue in tails in his garage when I started dealing with him!

[Mike J]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

[old_school]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Thanks Mike I’m sure you’ll do well on it once you find some Pike

[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

Thanks Paul

[andrew_nagel]

I've managed to smuggle a few of Dave's creations across the north sea. The Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and German pike approve.

[DaveGreenwood]

I've managed to smuggle a few of Dave's creations across the north sea. The Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and German pike approve.

Crafty,

Another 30 caught on one of mine 2 weeks ago

[Mike J]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

I haven't a clue what mine is called, just saw a pic and thought thats what I want, chatted to Dave and he sent me a pic when he'd finished it. Not my first from a PP lure maker (the other was hopeless) so it was a bit of a risk but Dave's mileage gave me the confidence. When the lake thaws its going to live in it!

My 5th order of custom lures in 2023

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[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

[font=]I haven't a clue what mine is called[/font], just saw a pic and thought thats what I want, chatted to Dave and he sent me a pic when he'd finished it. Not my first from a PP lure maker (the other was hopeless) so it was a bit of a risk but Dave's mileage gave me the confidence. When the lake thaws its going to live in it!

My 5th order of custom lures in 2023

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It's a Fatjerk Mike.

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[Mike J]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

.

Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

.

Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

[font=]I haven't a clue what mine is called[/font], just saw a pic and thought thats what I want, chatted to Dave and he sent me a pic when he'd finished it. Not my first from a PP lure maker (the other was hopeless) so it was a bit of a risk but Dave's mileage gave me the confidence. When the lake thaws its going to live in it!

My 5th order of custom lures in 2023

.

It's a Fatjerk Mike.IMG_20240101_194906_835.jpg

Thanks Dave but Im hopeless at remembering lure names, easier to ask for more of the same and let you do the rest

If the river drops enough I will swim it in there that'll be a test as its chocka with snappers


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[DaveGreenwood]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

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Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

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Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

[font=]I haven't a clue what mine is called[/font], just saw a pic and thought thats what I want, chatted to Dave and he sent me a pic when he'd finished it. Not my first from a PP lure maker (the other was hopeless) so it was a bit of a risk but Dave's mileage gave me the confidence. When the lake thaws its going to live in it!

My 5th order of custom lures in 2023

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It's a Fatjerk Mike.IMG_20240101_194906_835.jpg

Thanks Dave but Im hopeless at remembering lure names, easier to ask for more of the same and let you do the rest

If the river drops enough I will swim it in there that'll be a test as its chocka with snappers


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Add a bit of weight to the nose for a river Mike or will get carried away in the flow, you wont need a lot though

[Mike J]

Due to the floods & storms spent a lot of time sorting the lure collection

On reflection am I thr only one who sees performance variability in different lures of the same brand? I could expect it with wooden lures but on some of the mass produced lures different lures of thr same model perform differently.


Ilthis to me is most obvious in jerks like Burts and some of the old Fox lures - one has s good responsive action whereas another is nothing close almost duff.

Also during a lures commercial life I see changes as well so older first to market models are great whereas later model less so

What do you do try to fix em or pass them on ?

Thoughts

Mass produced lures usually begin life being made where the original design was conceived, then when they become popular production is moved to where they can be produced cheaper and in greater numbers.
Forgetting lures for a moment and look at the iconic VW Golf, possibly the finest small saloon ever built, now its a mishmash of parts badly assembled in Mexico. Assembly is so bad they are even forgetting something as basic as the rubber plugs in the floor panels. Coincidently Burts are also made in Mexico.
Castiacs are another, the first were tough, well balanced and caught, then China became involved and we know the rest.
ABU multipliers, brilliantly engineered and made in Sweden, now nobody with any sense wants them unless they are those ABU produce specifically for the Japanese market.


Buy as soon as a lure hits the market and hope it works or have them made by specialists who are pike anglers is my tip

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Pretty sure VW stopped Golf production in Mexico 3 or 4 years ago Mike, agree about Burts though they are thrown together now it’s a lottery what comes out the packet.

It’s about time some enterprising lure maker started 3D printing the 2 half’s of burts so they could be weighted to suit the individual before being joined together. Some mini and midi sized burts could be easy with some resizing of the code I imagine. Dave, have you thought about a 3D printer at all…

Ive fished with a few lures and gave my first DG lure a swim the other day. Not my first custom lure by any means but my first from Dave. You all know how it goes, buy one and give it a good trial, if it looks decent and catches buy more, if something is not quite right store it.
Anyways, hand in heart I can say its the very best slow sinker Ive ever fished, its sink rate is apx 1"/second, yes, seriously slow and-and it sinks level with just a tiny wobble.
Id like to say I caught with it but as of yet I don't even know if there is a pike in the place.

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Hey Mike, I’ve got a few of Dave’s and the big dippers are superb, can get them deeper than burts and they are more stable, harder wearing too, give one a go if you haven’t all ready, I’ve had several double on the BDs and always one in my box

[font=]I haven't a clue what mine is called[/font], just saw a pic and thought thats what I want, chatted to Dave and he sent me a pic when he'd finished it. Not my first from a PP lure maker (the other was hopeless) so it was a bit of a risk but Dave's mileage gave me the confidence. When the lake thaws its going to live in it!

My 5th order of custom lures in 2023

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It's a Fatjerk Mike.IMG_20240101_194906_835.jpg

Thanks Dave but Im hopeless at remembering lure names, easier to ask for more of the same and let you do the rest

If the river drops enough I will swim it in there that'll be a test as its chocka with snappers


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Add a bit of weight to the nose for a river Mike or will get carried away in the flow, you wont need a lot though

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