Catching perch/roach/bream/tench with heavy pike gear?

[SittingBull]

Sorry if this is like sucking eggs to some of you, but my nephew is wanting to give perch/roach/tench/bream a go on his pike rod, reel, braid and bank sticks, basically all his pike gear except he is planning to buy a feeder cage, bait and small single hooks etc; his rig plan looks fine. Will he be alright with this heavier set up rod and braid though? I have my own lighter gear for the rare times I target those species (I live away) but would he be fine do you think on a 3.25lb test curve rod with 60lb braid? He's barely 20 years old but is reasonable and gentle with fish and is asking now ahead of the end of his pike season in a couple of weeks.
Thanks everyone.

[John Milford]

It would work at a pinch, but it won't be even remotely enjoyable. Like playing table tennis with a frying pan.

Bite indication with such high diameter line and the necessarily light bobbins needed for roach and perch might also be an issue.

[cookiesdaughtersdad]

With light set ups being so cheap nowadays I suggest you dont entertain the idea.
Catching fish such as roach on that heavy gear will be a right let down and not enjoyable at all!

Cheers, Alan

[Johnnylonewolf]

Barely 20 years old? You mean he's a grown man then.

[stubbojo]

hawking them in on heavy gear like that wont do small fish like roach any good at all ......in fact it could kill them .....
a guy on my roach water fishing for carp on heavy gear caught a big roach at range , it took an 18mm boily .......he landed it but it went belly later and pegged it.... shame as it was over 2lb ........
better on a light feeder rod or a light specimen rod pound and a half test covers most , smaller species and will handle much bigger fish if you dont mess about .


this is my go too set up for roach and perch

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[suffolk si]

My pb roach came on a self hooking rig,18lb and 3.25 test rod whilst carp fishing it was a horrible way to catch it tbh! Genuinely didn’t even know if there was a fish on untill I got it a few yards from the bank! Not enjoyable at all

[Jack H]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

[BillCollins]

There's absolutely loads of gear available for that sort of fishing, it should be easy to get a perfectly useable set up for reasonable money.

[cookiesdaughtersdad]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

A few good years ago I treated myself to a Drennan spinflex 9ft rod with the intension of using it for roving for barbel at night, so the 1st ting I did was change the tip eye for a screw in so as to take a quiver tip. All these years later the rod is a delight to use for other species such as perch, chub and bream and has power in reserve. Thers is however a vast difference between my little Drennan with 6lb mono and what Sitting Bull is suggesting.

Cheers, Alan

[SittingBull]

Thanks. I'm going to send him the Korum all rounder rod as a recomendation. Any reel recomendations?

[paintman]

Thanks. I'm going to send him the Korum all rounder rod as a recomendation. Any reel recomendations?

If he has a local branch of Angling Direct it would be worth a visit.
Plenty to choose from & some very heavily discounted.
Some already loaded with mono.

[Jack H]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

A few good years ago I treated myself to a Drennan spinflex 9ft rod with the intension of using it for roving for barbel at night, so the 1st ting I did was change the tip eye for a screw in so as to take a quiver tip. All these years later the rod is a delight to use for other species such as perch, chub and bream and has power in reserve. Thers is however a vast difference between my little Drennan with 6lb mono and what Sitting Bull is suggesting.

Cheers, Alan

Brilliant rods those drennans . I think I’ve got one of the newer models and it’s been excellent for the money. I’ve done similar and used a short quiver tipping rod for small lures. I’ve got a couple of dropshot rods with really fine tips that look perfect for close range silver fishing. It all comes down to how balanced the setup is i suppose.

Jack

[cookiesdaughtersdad]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

A few good years ago I treated myself to a Drennan spinflex 9ft rod with the intension of using it for roving for barbel at night, so the 1st ting I did was change the tip eye for a screw in so as to take a quiver tip. All these years later the rod is a delight to use for other species such as perch, chub and bream and has power in reserve. Thers is however a vast difference between my little Drennan with 6lb mono and what Sitting Bull is suggesting.

Cheers, Alan

Brilliant rods those drennans . I think I’ve got one of the newer models and it’s been excellent for the money. I’ve done similar and used a short quiver tipping rod for small lures. I’ve got a couple of dropshot rods with really fine tips that look perfect for close range silver fishing. It all comes down to how balanced the setup is i suppose.

Jack

Cheers, Alan

[stubbojo]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

i bought the korum all rounder , with the 2 tips ,what a lovely rod it is to fish with , also good for light lure fishing ......think its the 8 ft version
well recommended....

steve

[Mologan]

Thanks. I'm going to send him the Korum all rounder rod as a recomendation. Any reel recomendations?

I have one of these rods and its great - really nice rod to use. Korum recommended a 4000 Zelos reel to pair with it while my local tackleshop suggested a ProLogic BF 5000. To me there isn't a lot of difference in the feel of either reel paired with it. I've also got a Allrounder Quiver feeder rod which is very very nice too.

If you're going to buy a set up, have a look at these: https://www.cadencefishing.co.uk/produc ... tch-combo/ & https://www.cadencefishing.co.uk/produc ... der-combo/ - with the buy 1, get 1 free offer you can double up and get one feeder rod and one float rod which is a bargain IMO. The Discount is applied at checkout.

They're gear is good and gets good reviews when looking through various forums. The reels sell for £60 alone, but you dont get a spare spool with the combo. I've picked up a pair (float and feeder) which arrived on Monday and am impressed considering it was 4 rods and reels for £80.

HTH

[Jack H]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

i bought the korum all rounder , with the 2 tips ,what a lovely rod it is to fish with , also good for light lure fishing ......think its the 8 ft version
well recommended....

steve

along with there power float, probably my most used rod for general coarse fishing.

Jack

[stubbojo]

As said, you’d be far better off with specifically designed gear. I’ve tried spinning rods in the past as a feeder rod in a pinch, but found it far from ideal. The finesse just isn’t there when it comes to shy biting silvers. A good option is the Korum allrounder. Currently on Angling direct for £35. Cracking rod which I use for all smaller species and low double carp.

Jack

i bought the korum all rounder , with the 2 tips ,what a lovely rod it is to fish with , also good for light lure fishing ......think its the 8 ft version
well recommended....

steve

along with there power float, probably my most used rod for general coarse fishing.

Jack

they just feel right , well balanced and not sloppy will handle good fish too .....cant fault em.....

[SittingBull]

Thank you everyone. You've been super helpful and the recomendations are even getting me tempted to try the feeder fishing. He rang earlier to say he has gone for the Korum quiver all rounder at £35 which I think is sensible as he is very much going to be new to feeder fishing.

He's planning to do this when the piking ends in the next few weeks but if he were to receive the rod sooner and he were to deadbait pike and feeder fish for roach/perch at same time he has asked would he need to spread rods out far or would it be advantageous to fish both rods/baits close together and use the fish attracted to the feeder to bring in the pike? What does everyone think? Anyone have any experiences? Apologies for my ignorance but feeder fishing is not my beat. Thanks.

[stubbojo]

when river fishing for roach and the likes , i always nearly in winter , i fish a pike rod behind or to one side of the feeder , as the feeder will attract silvers and also pike will come for a look........or substitute your lead on your pike rod .....for a ground bait and maggot feeder to attract silvers ...

[Mologan]

Personally, I tend not to fish for different species and methods (deadbaiting for pike & feeder for bream) at the same time.

When I have, I always tended to keep things spread out e.g two rods, one at 10 oclock and one at 2 oclock in my swim as I was worried a run on the pike rod could get tangled in the other rod and cause me and the fish problems. There may be easier way to do it tho

[Garyjstockton]

Have had some lovely days fishing for pike with a deadbait and a feeder rod for silvers, alarms and bobbins on both rods,especially good size roach bream hybrids look good fight hard, imagine catching a 20lb pike and a 2lb roach same day.