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hi guys
My name is Adam Frankey, I'm a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)
I found an interesting topic 'Jerk baits cruel' and i thank the poster for the valued information which can help our fight.
i have joined the forum to put my views forward on what i think of fishing
i find it horrible that people are able to buy hooks half the size of a hand and fish...... there is always rubbish on the park lake near me,most of which is empty tin cans and fishing line,
fish area living thing like you and me, they feel pain, and it has been proven,
i do hope the link put some sense into you and that it will prove a point
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-e ... shing.aspx
many thanks for your time,
Adam,
My name is Adam Frankey, I'm a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)
I found an interesting topic 'Jerk baits cruel' and i thank the poster for the valued information which can help our fight.
i have joined the forum to put my views forward on what i think of fishing
i find it horrible that people are able to buy hooks half the size of a hand and fish...... there is always rubbish on the park lake near me,most of which is empty tin cans and fishing line,
fish area living thing like you and me, they feel pain, and it has been proven,
i do hope the link put some sense into you and that it will prove a point
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-e ... shing.aspx
many thanks for your time,
Adam,
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Re: ban fishing
Adam PETA wrote:hi guys
My name is Adam Frankey, I'm a member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)
I found an interesting topic 'Jerk baits cruel' and i thank the poster for the valued information which can help our fight.
i have joined the forum to put my views forward on what i think of fishing
i find it horrible that people are able to buy hooks half the size of a hand and fish...... there is always rubbish on the park lake near me,most of which is empty tin cans and fishing line,
fish area living thing like you and me, they feel pain, and it has been proven,
i do hope the link put some sense into you and that it will prove a point
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-e ... shing.aspx
many thanks for your time,
Adam,
it's life mate fishing has been around a lot longer than you or me,
why ban something that occurs naturally, what's next start feeding lions lettuce because they kill and eat living things out in the Savannah(African plain)?
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Adam what are YOUR views then and good of you to show a interest in fish welfare... there are 450 plus members on here who feel the same....
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as valid as your point is there are far more cruel and horrific things that happen to animals.
Although we stick hooks in them (none of which are half the size of my hand!!!!) we try our best not to kill them! after all no fish no sport!
I would say the artifical introduction of otters has a bigger effect on fish deaths in some areas. Pollution also another. As for litter etc i could not agree more as it disgusts me, I will go out my way to clean others mess as I like to fish in a clean surrounding. I am sure many others on here do the same.
i believe it's just as much my right to fish as it is yours not to.
Although we stick hooks in them (none of which are half the size of my hand!!!!) we try our best not to kill them! after all no fish no sport!
I would say the artifical introduction of otters has a bigger effect on fish deaths in some areas. Pollution also another. As for litter etc i could not agree more as it disgusts me, I will go out my way to clean others mess as I like to fish in a clean surrounding. I am sure many others on here do the same.
i believe it's just as much my right to fish as it is yours not to.
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Adam - there are a lot of vile things that humans do to other living creatures and, worse still, to each other. I often feel ashamed to be a human being when I see what we are capable of. The day might come when we decide not to fish for entertainment but at the moment its in our nature. Humans all around the world are driven to go fishing and there are no signs that they are going to stop, quite the opposite. It is something that might eventually be bred out of us, but at the moment there are much bigger issues that we should attend to; things much more cruel or distasteful than going fishing. I think PETA has a point but it cannot change what we (humans) are. A personal view, thanks for listening.
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Re: ban fishing
Just ignore him, he's only joined to cause trouble.
He'll go away when he gets no response
He'll go away when he gets no response
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Re: ban fishing
It would be good to engage in an intelligent discussion with PETA, even if we only agree to differ in our views. Holding a view about something does not make it right and we are all entitled to our views provided we stay within the law. Hope they respond and talk to us.
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We have nothing to say to them!
They are wanting to ban our sport/hobby, end of.
Wake up!
They are wanting to ban our sport/hobby, end of.
Wake up!
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I've got plenty to say to them!
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Then go and join their site and do it on there.
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Re: ban fishing
you must have pretty small hands mate, i have never even seen a hook half the size of my hand let alone used one.
you campaign for animals to be treated the same as humans? so you're saying that if i am eating some chips and a dog jumps up and steals some then i can have the dog arrested and tried in a court of law? how about if a fox breaks into a chicken pen and kills the hens then it can be locked away for mass murder?
can you please explain how starting a pornography website is going to help your campaign, you are virtually saying that young women can't have a quiet afternoon by the river bank but they can sell their bodies for money to make illicit videos.
one more thing to add, may i recommend you a book i have read by alexander schwab called hook, line and thinker, angling and ethics. very good read.
you campaign for animals to be treated the same as humans? so you're saying that if i am eating some chips and a dog jumps up and steals some then i can have the dog arrested and tried in a court of law? how about if a fox breaks into a chicken pen and kills the hens then it can be locked away for mass murder?
can you please explain how starting a pornography website is going to help your campaign, you are virtually saying that young women can't have a quiet afternoon by the river bank but they can sell their bodies for money to make illicit videos.
one more thing to add, may i recommend you a book i have read by alexander schwab called hook, line and thinker, angling and ethics. very good read.
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Re: ban fishing
Adam PETA wrote:
fish area living thing like you and me, they feel pain, and it has been proven,
Adam,
Mmmm.....not quite Adam. Stop attaching human emotion to those of animals. As you are aware Fish lack the neocortex portion of the brain to feel pain in the way you or I do. Although fish's brains are certainly less complex than ours, they aren't
mindlessly floating around in the water. Akin to the fight-or-flight
response, fish have chemicals in their bodies that are released when
they're in danger [source: Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia].
Fish also possess pain nerve fiber tracts in their bodies that are
similar to those that tetrapods (vertebrates with four limbs) have
[source: Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia].
Overall, the scientific consensus is that fish have the anatomical
requirements to demonstrate neurophysiologic and behavioral reactions to
pain as a means of survival [source: Braithwaite and Huntingford].
However, little evidence exists to suggest that the fish also react
emotionally to pain like humans. As another way of safeguarding our
bodies, our pain response comes with a negative emotional reaction that
excites the amygdala in our brains and forms a memory
of the unpleasant effect of a particular stimulus. For that reason, most
children will touch a hot stove only once. Fish brains do contain an
amygdaloid complex, but it produces aggression rather than fear [source:
Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia].
Nevertheless, fish are able to form sensory memories. For instance,
trout can remember how to avoid getting caught in fishing nets months
after the initial experience [source: Donkin]. So while it remains unclear whether fish genuinely suffer from pain, memories of it stick in their brains but not in the way that you would have us believe with one sized half arsed paraphrasing above.
Something else for you to think on about. Fishing was banned on the Mere thanks to you and people like you. No anglers in any significant numbers meant that when the bloom caused an oxygen crash no one was around for any immediate action to be taken to save the fish. EVERYTHING died in the lake. It will never recover. Angling and by that I mean proper angling has its place if you wish to continue to see well managed healthy waters. If you think for one minite that a left alone previously managed water would survive all that our changing climate can throw at it without intervention you are sadly mistaken. Our waterways need angling from a monetary and conservation point of view.
Oh and I fail to see what or where you got your info from on the link you supplied. In our world fish are not yanked from the water. Swim bladders will only rupture rarely if pulled from great depths and then only if pulled in incorrectly. The majority of anglers do not fish in water deeper than 10mtrs (where barotrauma starts to occur) and those that do know about it and give the fish time to alter its bladder gasses to suit.
The Edinburgh researchers wrote a hell of a lot more than the single line you quoted in your piece, it would probably be in your interest to read the reports and conclusions thoroughly.......until then do one. I got no time for 6th form politics and ill thought out arguments and half truths from tree hugging, otter stroking dickwads whose ultimate aim is to stop my sport because some beardy yoghurt knitter thought it was a good idea after watching numerous nature programs and a walt disney film or two.
Ps We all hate litter as well but they are not anglers leaving it behind in any way shape or form. They are vermin who we would wish to dis-associate ourselves from. Bit like saying someone threw a coin at the footy so all supporters are thugs.....Now wheres me rabbit skin coat and crocodile shoes I'm going out for a pint
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Re: ban fishing
thankyou for all the imput,
i guess that the handling and conservation of the fish do put hold on you side,
but as it has been stated in the main website,
''According to one fishery expert, catch-and-release victims "could be vulnerable to predators, unable to swim away, or if nesting, not capable of fending off nest raiders. Some guarding males could in fact abandon the nest." Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days.''
with stuff as such as this, it is one reason why fishing shouldn't be allowed, due to the fact of the fish dying, better off not fishing for them than keep fishing untill they are extinct,
Adam,
i guess that the handling and conservation of the fish do put hold on you side,
but as it has been stated in the main website,
''According to one fishery expert, catch-and-release victims "could be vulnerable to predators, unable to swim away, or if nesting, not capable of fending off nest raiders. Some guarding males could in fact abandon the nest." Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days.''
with stuff as such as this, it is one reason why fishing shouldn't be allowed, due to the fact of the fish dying, better off not fishing for them than keep fishing untill they are extinct,
Adam,
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43% of catch and release fish die? that is utter nonsense. the british record barbel, carp and bream have been caught on more than one occasion.
regarding the nesting fish, we have a close season in the uk for 3 months of the year so the fish can spawn in peace.
you are posting quotes from an american website so i am assuming you are american too? maybe you see bow fisherman hunting and people killing the invasive silver carp and assume that we treat our fish the same over here.
regarding the nesting fish, we have a close season in the uk for 3 months of the year so the fish can spawn in peace.
you are posting quotes from an american website so i am assuming you are american too? maybe you see bow fisherman hunting and people killing the invasive silver carp and assume that we treat our fish the same over here.
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well in my experience your statement is too broad and tunnel visioned Adam..........
it is well documented that fish are caught multiple times over multiple years - i myself have caught many carp multiple times over a long period of time (one particular fish i have caught 9 times spanning 12 years, and that same fish was caught by two other anglers on 3 different occasions, and thats only the captures that i know of!)........ and i know of many many instances of recaptured fish by other anglers, and can prove it too.
if you look hard enough you'll always find what you want to see...
it is well documented that fish are caught multiple times over multiple years - i myself have caught many carp multiple times over a long period of time (one particular fish i have caught 9 times spanning 12 years, and that same fish was caught by two other anglers on 3 different occasions, and thats only the captures that i know of!)........ and i know of many many instances of recaptured fish by other anglers, and can prove it too.
if you look hard enough you'll always find what you want to see...
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I can say without a shadow of a doubt ( due to recaptures etc ) that 43% of the fish i have caught and returned have not perished. Your statement is bullshit
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Nice to see PETA mugging themselves up now and again.....
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[quote="Adam PETA"]thankyou for all the imput,
''According to one fishery expert, catch-and-release victims "could be vulnerable to predators, unable to swim away, or if nesting, not capable of fending off nest raiders. Some guarding males could in fact abandon the nest." Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days.''
Why don't you go preach back in America 'Could' is not fact its a suposition or possible not 'fact'. The reasearchers are just that 'researchers' not experts and is being spouted from the states not here, go and try and drum yourself some support over there but maybe you have and have failed, you will definately here
''According to one fishery expert, catch-and-release victims "could be vulnerable to predators, unable to swim away, or if nesting, not capable of fending off nest raiders. Some guarding males could in fact abandon the nest." Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation found that as many as 43 percent of fish released after being caught died within six days.''
Why don't you go preach back in America 'Could' is not fact its a suposition or possible not 'fact'. The reasearchers are just that 'researchers' not experts and is being spouted from the states not here, go and try and drum yourself some support over there but maybe you have and have failed, you will definately here
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I wanna let rip at this guy but will try and restrain myself .. It's probably a wind up anyway.
How many hundreds of thousands of cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, horses, dogs, cats, whales, tigers, snakes not to mention fish are killed inhumanely and eaten every day, Let alone the ones that get "tested" on .... f**k off and get a life!
PETA - People Eat Tasty Animals! deal with it.
As my good friend Homer once said .. If God didn't want us to eat animals, Why did he make them out of meat? ;D
How many hundreds of thousands of cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, horses, dogs, cats, whales, tigers, snakes not to mention fish are killed inhumanely and eaten every day, Let alone the ones that get "tested" on .... f**k off and get a life!
PETA - People Eat Tasty Animals! deal with it.
As my good friend Homer once said .. If God didn't want us to eat animals, Why did he make them out of meat? ;D
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Re: ban fishing
what about all the stuff peta dont want you to know quite intresting
http://www.freeonlineresearchpapers.com ... nt-animals
says enough really to me about the orginisation
http://www.freeonlineresearchpapers.com ... nt-animals
says enough really to me about the orginisation
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Re: ban fishing
Just another avenue to line someone's pockets without getting a real job and living in the real life.
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Re: ban fishing
why are you posting quotes instead of answering our questions adam?
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Re: ban fishing
I was hoping to have an intelligent discussion with someone from PETA. The replies from their representative tell me that he is not capable of such discussion so I have no more to say. I have rarely read such an ill-informed and naive response.
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for all those interested in this thread i recommend this book about angling ethics and animal rights activists.
very good informative read
http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/bookrevs/ethics.html
very good informative read
http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/bookrevs/ethics.html
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Bottom line Adam. You are a mass-murderer.
The organisation you support believe every animal species in this world, including the likes of insects, spiders, mites, ticks, fleas etc etc, should be afforded the same rights as we humans have. If you truly support this view then I have no idea how you can carry on with your daily life knowing that every day since the day you were born and until the day you die that you will be murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent creatures. If you don't go along with that belief then I have no idea how you can continue to support such an extremist terrorist group. A group that promotes hatred, funds terrorist attacks and mocks the violent deaths of innocent human beings.
Would be interesting to hear your views.
The organisation you support believe every animal species in this world, including the likes of insects, spiders, mites, ticks, fleas etc etc, should be afforded the same rights as we humans have. If you truly support this view then I have no idea how you can carry on with your daily life knowing that every day since the day you were born and until the day you die that you will be murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent creatures. If you don't go along with that belief then I have no idea how you can continue to support such an extremist terrorist group. A group that promotes hatred, funds terrorist attacks and mocks the violent deaths of innocent human beings.
Would be interesting to hear your views.
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Michael Brown wrote:Hardly likely Michael, if any of them were receptive to others opinions they wouldn't be so narrow minded and join such a ridiculous organisation.I was hoping to have an intelligent discussion with someone from PETA. The replies from their representative tell me that he is not capable of such discussion so I have no more to say. I have rarely read such an ill-informed and naive response.
I abhor any sort of cruelty to animals, but I strongly believe, after forming my own opinions that fish aren't sentient as we or other mammals are.
I think that the majority, if not all of the people that make up groups like PETA are Ill advised band wagon jumpers that slap each other on the back for a point scored for the cause. Ask them to enter into intelligent debate and they run a mile because the facts, or evidence pointing towards the facts tips the balance, usually in our favour.
My Dad used to say;
"Some people are pig ignorant and you can't educate pork!"
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Re: ban fishing
Good to see some reasoned argument being aimed at the misguided chap from peta, instead of abuse & vitriol which he would try to turn against us.
Just say NO to the psycho right wing capitalist fascist industrial death machine