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Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 18:43 -
J Nix wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 00:04 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Sat Nov 23 2024 18:31 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:59 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:47 -
micky dolan wrote: Thu Nov 21 2024 11:28 -
The technology in this video is impressive and some great Zander caught .
But is this style of targeted fishing for you ?
Yes I've used an old hummingbird but more as a feature finder perhaps it's that I'm mainly a deadbait angler so this isn't for me .

The fishing starts at around 7 minutes ...

I'm using the same kit, for pelagic fishing it's simply a game changer. My view is that the odds are so stacked against you on some waters, than any edge you can find to shorten the path to success is worth it.

Another use for live sonar is to scout the water in front if you by putting the LVS34 transducer into forward mode. We use that feature all the time when drifting and casting. You can see where the depth changes and the features in front of you in a lot of detail. You can also see your lure dropping through the water column and if you angle the beam onto the line of the cast, watch it coming back all the way to the boat. It certainly enhances how you fish and combine that with a bow mounted, GPS guided electric trolling motor, you're next level in terms of boat control and being able to fish spots more effectively. I love the technology. I think I mentioned this before, but we were out last month and were watching on the screen a shoal of bream feeding on the bottom of a reservoir. You could see them tails up hoovering the bottom. Last trip out, we had a good laugh watching shoals of tiny perch all chasing after my mates lures. Probably happens a lot, just not seen someone get a follow off 50 odd fish at once!
Thats all very well, Mark but its still cheating! :laughs:

Cheers, Alan
hey, at least you get to see them ignoring you :lol:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
Care to share the joke?
"At least you get to see them ignoring you" - I thought this was funny. I'm laughing at your joke?
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Re: Technology for Zander

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J Nix wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 21:23 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 18:43 -
J Nix wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 00:04 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Sat Nov 23 2024 18:31 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:59 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:47 -
micky dolan wrote: Thu Nov 21 2024 11:28 -
The technology in this video is impressive and some great Zander caught .
But is this style of targeted fishing for you ?
Yes I've used an old hummingbird but more as a feature finder perhaps it's that I'm mainly a deadbait angler so this isn't for me .

The fishing starts at around 7 minutes ...

I'm using the same kit, for pelagic fishing it's simply a game changer. My view is that the odds are so stacked against you on some waters, than any edge you can find to shorten the path to success is worth it.

Another use for live sonar is to scout the water in front if you by putting the LVS34 transducer into forward mode. We use that feature all the time when drifting and casting. You can see where the depth changes and the features in front of you in a lot of detail. You can also see your lure dropping through the water column and if you angle the beam onto the line of the cast, watch it coming back all the way to the boat. It certainly enhances how you fish and combine that with a bow mounted, GPS guided electric trolling motor, you're next level in terms of boat control and being able to fish spots more effectively. I love the technology. I think I mentioned this before, but we were out last month and were watching on the screen a shoal of bream feeding on the bottom of a reservoir. You could see them tails up hoovering the bottom. Last trip out, we had a good laugh watching shoals of tiny perch all chasing after my mates lures. Probably happens a lot, just not seen someone get a follow off 50 odd fish at once!
Thats all very well, Mark but its still cheating! :laughs:

Cheers, Alan
hey, at least you get to see them ignoring you :lol:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
Care to share the joke?
"At least you get to see them ignoring you" - I thought this was funny. I'm laughing at your joke?
My apologies, as I didn't realise you were referring to my previous comments. My bad :red:
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Re: Technology for Zander

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Mark Phillips wrote: Sat Dec 07 2024 20:54 -
J Nix wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 21:23 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 18:43 -
J Nix wrote: Fri Dec 06 2024 00:04 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Sat Nov 23 2024 18:31 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:59 -
Mark Phillips wrote: Fri Nov 22 2024 21:47 -
micky dolan wrote: Thu Nov 21 2024 11:28 -
The technology in this video is impressive and some great Zander caught .
But is this style of targeted fishing for you ?
Yes I've used an old hummingbird but more as a feature finder perhaps it's that I'm mainly a deadbait angler so this isn't for me .

The fishing starts at around 7 minutes ...

I'm using the same kit, for pelagic fishing it's simply a game changer. My view is that the odds are so stacked against you on some waters, than any edge you can find to shorten the path to success is worth it.

Another use for live sonar is to scout the water in front if you by putting the LVS34 transducer into forward mode. We use that feature all the time when drifting and casting. You can see where the depth changes and the features in front of you in a lot of detail. You can also see your lure dropping through the water column and if you angle the beam onto the line of the cast, watch it coming back all the way to the boat. It certainly enhances how you fish and combine that with a bow mounted, GPS guided electric trolling motor, you're next level in terms of boat control and being able to fish spots more effectively. I love the technology. I think I mentioned this before, but we were out last month and were watching on the screen a shoal of bream feeding on the bottom of a reservoir. You could see them tails up hoovering the bottom. Last trip out, we had a good laugh watching shoals of tiny perch all chasing after my mates lures. Probably happens a lot, just not seen someone get a follow off 50 odd fish at once!
Thats all very well, Mark but its still cheating! :laughs:

Cheers, Alan
hey, at least you get to see them ignoring you :lol:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
Care to share the joke?
"At least you get to see them ignoring you" - I thought this was funny. I'm laughing at your joke?
My apologies, as I didn't realise you were referring to my previous comments. My bad :red:
No worries!

:cheers:
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dropped_run wrote: Thu Dec 05 2024 14:25 -
I’ve been refraining on this thread a while. I’ve got mixed views on the subject.

I’ve been fishing like in the video since 2016. Started off with what would now be considered a basic 7” finder and it’s grown from there.
I’ve been lucky to go out to Europe on half a dozen occasions in Sweden and Holland to do this with some of the top guys and it was fairly eye opening.
I enjoy the whole package, boat control, lure control, reading the wind etc to get a lure in place over a moving or static “target”. It’s fun, and infuriating at the same time.

It’s a lot harder over here with our weather and a Coulam with a 4hp engine than a heavily wooded lake in Sweden with no wind on a boat designed for the method. How the Dutch do it with their weather is incredible to watch. It’s a skillset. It’s not “easy” in any way.

Having better tech 100% puts more fish in the boat. That’s undeniable. Having better tech also makes you see just how many fish are fundamentally uncatchable, on lures at least, on some days.

Using Grafham as an example, there are days when there is literally nothing I can do to make them hit a lure. And there are days where they hit baits readily- but not for everyone. An example of this was me in one boat and two extremely experienced mates in another. I had 24, they had 1. They’ve done this in reverse to me as well- it’s just illustrating how you need to adapt on the day and some days you work it out and others you don’t.

Fishing is fishing. Just dropping a bait in vaguely the right area isn’t enough. Same as just chucking a lure out and reeling it in. Yeah you’ll catch fish but other people will always catch more with a bit of thought.

There’s this weird idea that having livescope just means you’ll empty the place. It’s not true. It helps but you still need to know what to do on the day. Otherwise to use Andrew’s example of the US bass scene, every fish in the lake would get caught in every tournament.

That all being said, my livescope comes out maybe half a dozen days a year now. I’m over sitting staring at a screen all season. Been there, done that etc- I’d much rather be out at 3am in the pitch black casting lures for zander. But that’s just me. I’m antisocial.
Spot on James mate, great post! :cool: :thumbs:
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Fentiger01 wrote: Mon Dec 09 2024 18:05 -
dropped_run wrote: Thu Dec 05 2024 14:25 -
I’ve been refraining on this thread a while. I’ve got mixed views on the subject.

I’ve been fishing like in the video since 2016. Started off with what would now be considered a basic 7” finder and it’s grown from there.
I’ve been lucky to go out to Europe on half a dozen occasions in Sweden and Holland to do this with some of the top guys and it was fairly eye opening.
I enjoy the whole package, boat control, lure control, reading the wind etc to get a lure in place over a moving or static “target”. It’s fun, and infuriating at the same time.

It’s a lot harder over here with our weather and a Coulam with a 4hp engine than a heavily wooded lake in Sweden with no wind on a boat designed for the method. How the Dutch do it with their weather is incredible to watch. It’s a skillset. It’s not “easy” in any way.

Having better tech 100% puts more fish in the boat. That’s undeniable. Having better tech also makes you see just how many fish are fundamentally uncatchable, on lures at least, on some days.

Using Grafham as an example, there are days when there is literally nothing I can do to make them hit a lure. And there are days where they hit baits readily- but not for everyone. An example of this was me in one boat and two extremely experienced mates in another. I had 24, they had 1. They’ve done this in reverse to me as well- it’s just illustrating how you need to adapt on the day and some days you work it out and others you don’t.

Fishing is fishing. Just dropping a bait in vaguely the right area isn’t enough. Same as just chucking a lure out and reeling it in. Yeah you’ll catch fish but other people will always catch more with a bit of thought.

There’s this weird idea that having livescope just means you’ll empty the place. It’s not true. It helps but you still need to know what to do on the day. Otherwise to use Andrew’s example of the US bass scene, every fish in the lake would get caught in every tournament.

That all being said, my livescope comes out maybe half a dozen days a year now. I’m over sitting staring at a screen all season. Been there, done that etc- I’d much rather be out at 3am in the pitch black casting lures for zander. But that’s just me. I’m antisocial.
Spot on James mate, great post! :cool: :thumbs:
Cheers Dave, and Mark.

I do find it a weird one- I’ve kind of “grown up” in my fishing within the evolution of tech so it’s always been normal to me as such. Maybe that’s why my view differs to others.

It is unbelievably all consuming though. Or can be. Both because it’s good and the perception that it’ll catch you more fish without putting in any more work.

I had a 14-01 at 01:45 this morning with no tech use whatsoever, unless we’re talking about fancy soft plastics but that’s a different story :laughs:
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dropped_run wrote: Sun Dec 15 2024 00:11 -
I had a 14-01 at 01:45 this morning with no tech use whatsoever, unless we’re talking about fancy soft plastics but that’s a different story :laughs:
Wow, that's a really good fish James - well in mate. :cool: :thumbs:
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dropped_run wrote: Thu Dec 05 2024 14:25 -
I’ve been refraining on this thread a while. I’ve got mixed views on the subject.

I’ve been fishing like in the video since 2016. Started off with what would now be considered a basic 7” finder and it’s grown from there.
I’ve been lucky to go out to Europe on half a dozen occasions in Sweden and Holland to do this with some of the top guys and it was fairly eye opening.
I enjoy the whole package, boat control, lure control, reading the wind etc to get a lure in place over a moving or static “target”. It’s fun, and infuriating at the same time.

It’s a lot harder over here with our weather and a Coulam with a 4hp engine than a heavily wooded lake in Sweden with no wind on a boat designed for the method. How the Dutch do it with their weather is incredible to watch. It’s a skillset. It’s not “easy” in any way.

Having better tech 100% puts more fish in the boat. That’s undeniable. Having better tech also makes you see just how many fish are fundamentally uncatchable, on lures at least, on some days.

Using Grafham as an example, there are days when there is literally nothing I can do to make them hit a lure. And there are days where they hit baits readily- but not for everyone. An example of this was me in one boat and two extremely experienced mates in another. I had 24, they had 1. They’ve done this in reverse to me as well- it’s just illustrating how you need to adapt on the day and some days you work it out and others you don’t.

Fishing is fishing. Just dropping a bait in vaguely the right area isn’t enough. Same as just chucking a lure out and reeling it in. Yeah you’ll catch fish but other people will always catch more with a bit of thought.

There’s this weird idea that having livescope just means you’ll empty the place. It’s not true. It helps but you still need to know what to do on the day. Otherwise to use Andrew’s example of the US bass scene, every fish in the lake would get caught in every tournament.

That all being said, my livescope comes out maybe half a dozen days a year now. I’m over sitting staring at a screen all season. Been there, done that etc- I’d much rather be out at 3am in the pitch black casting lures for zander. But that’s just me. I’m antisocial.
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The BASS thing is about the OGs losing money, simple as that!! Young guns who haven’t spent the last 20 years learning “the circuit” can just rock up with all the tech now and beat them out of their millions in earnings, as a result they have now spent 3 or 4 years crying to the organisers to ban live sonar!!
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